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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by Numero</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-3047</link>
		<dc:creator>Numero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this all handled by the &quot;Package Version&quot; in PackageMaker?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by Blueruby</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-3046</link>
		<dc:creator>Blueruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peelman for responding :)

My expertise in shellscript/perl can be ranged to Beginner! :( 
Hence, a detailed help would be very much appreciated. 

I&#039;ve written a script to compare versions of the installed and installing software(Package). Could you let me know where am I missing the link..

==============

#!/bin/bash

## Assuming that the script will be placed in the Pkg/Contents/Resources folder

path=`pwd `

cd..

PKG_PATH=`pwd `

PKG_INFO_PATH=&quot;${PKG_PATH}/Contents/Info&quot;
INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH=&quot;/Applications/appname/Contents/Info&quot;

function CompareVersions()
{
	local FIRST_VERSION=${1}
	local SECOND_VERSION=${2}
	
#Installing component	

	local MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 1)
	local MINOR_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 2)
	local BUILD_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 3)
	
#Installed component	
	local MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 1)
	local MINOR_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 2)
	local BUILD_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} &#124; cut -d &#039;.&#039; -f 3)
	
	if [ ${MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 0
	elif [ ${MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 65
	elif [ ${MINOR_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${MINOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 0
	elif [ ${MINOR_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${MINOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 65
	elif [ ${BUILD_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${BUILD_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 0
	elif [ ${BUILD_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${BUILD_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then
		exit 65
	fi

	exit 0
}


	if [ -e &quot;${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH}.plist&quot; ]; then
		INSTALLED_COMPONENT_VERSION=$(defaults read &quot;${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH}&quot; &quot;CFBundleShortVersionString&quot;)
		INSTALLING_COMPONENT_VERSION=$(defaults read &quot;${PKG_INFO_PATH}&quot; &quot;CFBundleShortVersionString&quot;)
		CompareVersions &quot;${INSTALLING_COMPONENT_VERSION}&quot; &quot;${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_VERSION}&quot;
	else
		exit 0
	fi

===================

Here, I am able to get the version numbers of the Installed component and the &quot;yet to be&quot; installed component. 
But how do I get the final Result (i.e if the Version check Fails) and get the Versioncheck.strings to display the error message(in case of Error) in the Installer window?

Thanks in advance,

Ruby
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peelman for responding <img src='http://peelman.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My expertise in shellscript/perl can be ranged to Beginner! <img src='http://peelman.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Hence, a detailed help would be very much appreciated. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a script to compare versions of the installed and installing software(Package). Could you let me know where am I missing the link..</p>
<p>==============</p>
<p>#!/bin/bash</p>
<p>## Assuming that the script will be placed in the Pkg/Contents/Resources folder</p>
<p>path=`pwd `</p>
<p>cd..</p>
<p>PKG_PATH=`pwd `</p>
<p>PKG_INFO_PATH=&#8221;${PKG_PATH}/Contents/Info&#8221;<br />
INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH=&#8221;/Applications/appname/Contents/Info&#8221;</p>
<p>function CompareVersions()<br />
{<br />
	local FIRST_VERSION=${1}<br />
	local SECOND_VERSION=${2}</p>
<p>#Installing component	</p>
<p>	local MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 1)<br />
	local MINOR_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 2)<br />
	local BUILD_FIRST_VERSION=$(echo ${FIRST_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 3)</p>
<p>#Installed component<br />
	local MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 1)<br />
	local MINOR_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 2)<br />
	local BUILD_SECOND_VERSION=$(echo ${SECOND_VERSION} | cut -d &#8216;.&#8217; -f 3)</p>
<p>	if [ ${MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 0<br />
	elif [ ${MAJOR_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${MAJOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 65<br />
	elif [ ${MINOR_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${MINOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 0<br />
	elif [ ${MINOR_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${MINOR_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 65<br />
	elif [ ${BUILD_FIRST_VERSION} -gt ${BUILD_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 0<br />
	elif [ ${BUILD_FIRST_VERSION} -lt ${BUILD_SECOND_VERSION} ]; then<br />
		exit 65<br />
	fi</p>
<p>	exit 0<br />
}</p>
<p>	if [ -e "${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH}.plist" ]; then<br />
		INSTALLED_COMPONENT_VERSION=$(defaults read &#8220;${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_INFO_PATH}&#8221; &#8220;CFBundleShortVersionString&#8221;)<br />
		INSTALLING_COMPONENT_VERSION=$(defaults read &#8220;${PKG_INFO_PATH}&#8221; &#8220;CFBundleShortVersionString&#8221;)<br />
		CompareVersions &#8220;${INSTALLING_COMPONENT_VERSION}&#8221; &#8220;${INSTALLED_COMPONENT_VERSION}&#8221;<br />
	else<br />
		exit 0<br />
	fi</p>
<p>===================</p>
<p>Here, I am able to get the version numbers of the Installed component and the &#8220;yet to be&#8221; installed component.<br />
But how do I get the final Result (i.e if the Version check Fails) and get the Versioncheck.strings to display the error message(in case of Error) in the Installer window?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance,</p>
<p>Ruby</p>
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		<title>Comment on The future of CoRD by Anon</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/03/17/the-future-of-cord/comment-page-1/#comment-3045</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^freerdp
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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just need the set your preflight script to handle the check for you. Have it query the version of a file, or whatever, if its already a newer version, exit with code 112, the set your InstallationCheck.strings file to report that to the user (&quot;16&quot; = &quot;There is a newer version of the software already on this machine!&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just need the set your preflight script to handle the check for you. Have it query the version of a file, or whatever, if its already a newer version, exit with code 112, the set your InstallationCheck.strings file to report that to the user (&#8220;16&#8243; = &#8220;There is a newer version of the software already on this machine!&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by Blueruby</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>Blueruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/#comment-3043</guid>
		<description>Hey there,

i need a help with packagemaker app.

 I need my Installer to verify if there is actually a newer version of the software installed on the system. If YES, warn the user and abort the install process. If No, upgrade the existing version.

Do you have a script that can do this for me?

Thanks,
ruby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there,</p>
<p>i need a help with packagemaker app.</p>
<p> I need my Installer to verify if there is actually a newer version of the software installed on the system. If YES, warn the user and abort the install process. If No, upgrade the existing version.</p>
<p>Do you have a script that can do this for me?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
ruby</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comcast vs Level 3&#8230; by Miami Personal Injury Attorney</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/12/03/comcast-vs-level3/comment-page-1/#comment-3042</link>
		<dc:creator>Miami Personal Injury Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that Level 3 needs Comcast to reach the users who pay Comcast for Internet service. Likewise, Comcast relies on Level 3 to make its share of the Internet (e.g. Netflix) available to subscribers. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that Level 3 needs Comcast to reach the users who pay Comcast for Internet service. Likewise, Comcast relies on Level 3 to make its share of the Internet (e.g. Netflix) available to subscribers. .</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;ve said it before&#8230; by Security Inernet</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/03/04/ive-said-it-before/comment-page-1/#comment-3041</link>
		<dc:creator>Security Inernet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/?p=176#comment-3041</guid>
		<description>But he refused to speculate on the odds of reaching an agreement before mid-February. &quot;I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he refused to speculate on the odds of reaching an agreement before mid-February. &#8220;I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comcast vs Level 3&#8230; by Tweets that mention peelman.us » Comcast vs Level 3… -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/12/03/comcast-vs-level3/comment-page-1/#comment-3039</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention peelman.us » Comcast vs Level 3… -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 06:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Nick Peelman, James Payne. James Payne said: Comcast vs Level 3… http://goo.gl/fb/vZU0T [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Nick Peelman, James Payne. James Payne said: Comcast vs Level 3… <a href="http://goo.gl/fb/vZU0T" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/fb/vZU0T</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on GebraColor by peelman.us &#187; GebraColor 0.5 released&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/gebracolor/comment-page-1/#comment-2859</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman.us &#187; GebraColor 0.5 released&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 06:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.peelman.us/?page_id=496#comment-2859</guid>
		<description>[...] GebraColor [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Robin, I&#039;ve heard similar things from guys on the Installer-Dev list, I&#039;ve just never had a reason to use it so I didn&#039;t want to praise or bash it, given my ignorance.  I have never used PackageMaker&#039;s CLI tool either, but I&#039;ve poked around it enough and read enough threads about frustration that I know the basics of it.  I plan on revising those comments and others in the near future, I&#039;ll probably try to work up some test cases for both PM and Iceberg to tinker with the command line building stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robin, I&#39;ve heard similar things from guys on the Installer-Dev list, I&#39;ve just never had a reason to use it so I didn&#39;t want to praise or bash it, given my ignorance.  I have never used PackageMaker&#39;s CLI tool either, but I&#39;ve poked around it enough and read enough threads about frustration that I know the basics of it.  I plan on revising those comments and others in the near future, I&#39;ll probably try to work up some test cases for both PM and Iceberg to tinker with the command line building stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Apple Packages by Robin Forder</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/tech/apple-packages/comment-page-1/#comment-2856</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Forder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. the command-line version, freeze: it worked fine for me. In Terminal it didn&#039;t need a path, but in Automator it did, so when I replaced &#039;freeze MyInstaller.packproj&#039; with &#039;/usr/local/bin/freeze MyInstaller.packproj&#039;, it worked. There are two optional flags: -v, verbose; -d, scratch folder - supply the folder as the argument, presumably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. the command-line version, freeze: it worked fine for me. In Terminal it didn&#39;t need a path, but in Automator it did, so when I replaced &#39;freeze MyInstaller.packproj&#39; with &#39;/usr/local/bin/freeze MyInstaller.packproj&#39;, it worked. There are two optional flags: -v, verbose; -d, scratch folder &#8211; supply the folder as the argument, presumably.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The future of CoRD by trodemaster</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/03/17/the-future-of-cord/comment-page-1/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>trodemaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work!! Yes I do live in cord daily! If you are ever in seattle beer is on me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;blake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work!! Yes I do live in cord daily! If you are ever in seattle beer is on me.</p>
<p>blake</p>
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		<title>Comment on The future of CoRD by Chris Denneen</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/03/17/the-future-of-cord/comment-page-1/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Denneen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think taking a look at mRemote might be useful here. mRemote isn&#039;t cross platform so I think CoRD can very easily fill this role. I think mRemote handles a lot of the above questions. I wouldn&#039;t say mRemote is 100% perfect but I think they have tackled probably 70% of what your looking for. Hierarchical settings that inherit down a tree to sub folders and connections (very granular).&lt;br&gt;Just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think taking a look at mRemote might be useful here. mRemote isn&#39;t cross platform so I think CoRD can very easily fill this role. I think mRemote handles a lot of the above questions. I wouldn&#39;t say mRemote is 100% perfect but I think they have tackled probably 70% of what your looking for. Hierarchical settings that inherit down a tree to sub folders and connections (very granular).<br />Just some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CoRD by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2010/03/03/cord/comment-page-1/#comment-2830</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testing Comments</description>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it upset Keith.  But a LOT of people are going to read that.  and YOU can&#039;t post dissent (as has been proven).  I do not mean that as a knock against you, but lets call a spade a spade here.  Somebody has to correct that,  you weren&#039;t TECHNICALLY accurate in every case there, again, Its not a slam, its a fact.  Macs running 32-bit kernels use &gt; 4GB every day, including my own.  The fact that YOURS does not isn&#039;t of any more relevance to the issue of 64-bit support OR 4GB memory caps, specifically because Apple&#039;s documentation clearly states that the limit is 4GB of RAM.  

If Apple was saying the machines supported 8GB of RAM, and you saw the issues you have seen, then by all means, tear into them.  You would not be the only one, i guarantee it.  But they don&#039;t say that.  And while i&#039;m sure you&#039;re not the only one who&#039;s tried and failed to run 8GB of RAM in a MacbookPro3,1, you&#039;re the only one on a competitors website, on a relatively popular blog, saying that its Snow Leopard&#039;s fault, Apple&#039;s fault, WHEN ITS NOT.

And I&#039;d like to point out that Keith is correct, that underlying hardware Apple uses is fully capable in other systems (his ThinkPad that he references several times).  But the BLACK AND WHITE basis of my argument is:  APPLE SAYS NO.

This is the problem with a Microsoft Blog, taking a crack at an Apple paradigm.  Microsoft will support hardware that doesn&#039;t even exist any more.  They TOUT that Win7 runs GREAT on older machines.  Apple&#039;s approach is more akin to Toasters or Cell phones.  when your old model no longer does what you want it to do, or breaks down, or isn&#039;t supported any more, you buy a new one.  I&#039;m really sorry that Keith&#039;s machine won&#039;t run Snow Leopard&#039;s 64-bit kernel, but it didn&#039;t make the cut.  My fiancee&#039;s iBook won&#039;t run snow leopard at all.  In time, she&#039;ll get upgraded to something newer, but for now the iBook serve&#039;s its purpose as an email-checker, a web browser, and occasionally a paper-writer.  Keith&#039;s is still an awesome, powerful machine, that is somewhat handicapped by a limit Apple imposes for whatever reason.  That limit is well published, and he KNEW it when he bought it.  If Keith wanted a machine that would run 8GB of RAM, he should have found one that runs 8GB of RAM, and if not, then exercise this &#039;Freedom of choice&#039; Microsoft is so big on lately and *not* bought the Macbook.

Keith, man, it ain&#039;t personal, and its not me getting angry or attacking your thoughts or opinions (I leave that to the guys @ AngryMacBastards).  Its about the truth, and its the same reason I was pissed off about the Laptop Hunter ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it upset Keith.  But a LOT of people are going to read that.  and YOU can&#8217;t post dissent (as has been proven).  I do not mean that as a knock against you, but lets call a spade a spade here.  Somebody has to correct that,  you weren&#8217;t TECHNICALLY accurate in every case there, again, Its not a slam, its a fact.  Macs running 32-bit kernels use &gt; 4GB every day, including my own.  The fact that YOURS does not isn&#8217;t of any more relevance to the issue of 64-bit support OR 4GB memory caps, specifically because Apple&#8217;s documentation clearly states that the limit is 4GB of RAM.  </p>
<p>If Apple was saying the machines supported 8GB of RAM, and you saw the issues you have seen, then by all means, tear into them.  You would not be the only one, i guarantee it.  But they don&#8217;t say that.  And while i&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re not the only one who&#8217;s tried and failed to run 8GB of RAM in a MacbookPro3,1, you&#8217;re the only one on a competitors website, on a relatively popular blog, saying that its Snow Leopard&#8217;s fault, Apple&#8217;s fault, WHEN ITS NOT.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d like to point out that Keith is correct, that underlying hardware Apple uses is fully capable in other systems (his ThinkPad that he references several times).  But the BLACK AND WHITE basis of my argument is:  APPLE SAYS NO.</p>
<p>This is the problem with a Microsoft Blog, taking a crack at an Apple paradigm.  Microsoft will support hardware that doesn&#8217;t even exist any more.  They TOUT that Win7 runs GREAT on older machines.  Apple&#8217;s approach is more akin to Toasters or Cell phones.  when your old model no longer does what you want it to do, or breaks down, or isn&#8217;t supported any more, you buy a new one.  I&#8217;m really sorry that Keith&#8217;s machine won&#8217;t run Snow Leopard&#8217;s 64-bit kernel, but it didn&#8217;t make the cut.  My fiancee&#8217;s iBook won&#8217;t run snow leopard at all.  In time, she&#8217;ll get upgraded to something newer, but for now the iBook serve&#8217;s its purpose as an email-checker, a web browser, and occasionally a paper-writer.  Keith&#8217;s is still an awesome, powerful machine, that is somewhat handicapped by a limit Apple imposes for whatever reason.  That limit is well published, and he KNEW it when he bought it.  If Keith wanted a machine that would run 8GB of RAM, he should have found one that runs 8GB of RAM, and if not, then exercise this &#8216;Freedom of choice&#8217; Microsoft is so big on lately and *not* bought the Macbook.</p>
<p>Keith, man, it ain&#8217;t personal, and its not me getting angry or attacking your thoughts or opinions (I leave that to the guys @ AngryMacBastards).  Its about the truth, and its the same reason I was pissed off about the Laptop Hunter ads.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-1564</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it upset Keith.  But a LOT of people are going to read that.  and YOU can&#039;t post dissent (as has been proven).  I do not mean that as a knock against you, but lets call a spade a spade here.  Somebody has to correct that,  you weren&#039;t TECHNICALLY accurate in every case there, again, Its not a slam, its a fact.  Macs running 32-bit kernels use &gt; 4GB every day, including my own.  The fact that YOURS does not isn&#039;t of any more relevance to the issue of 64-bit support OR 4GB memory caps, specifically because Apple&#039;s documentation clearly states that the limit is 4GB of RAM.  

If Apple was saying the machines supported 8GB of RAM, and you saw the issues you have seen, then by all means, tear into them.  You would not be the only one, i guarantee it.  But they don&#039;t say that.  And while i&#039;m sure you&#039;re not the only one who&#039;s tried and failed to run 8GB of RAM in a MacbookPro3,1, you&#039;re the only one on a competitors website, on a relatively popular blog, saying that its Snow Leopard&#039;s fault, Apple&#039;s fault, WHEN ITS NOT.

And I&#039;d like to point out that Keith is correct, that underlying hardware Apple uses is fully capable in other systems (his ThinkPad that he references several times).  But the BLACK AND WHITE basis of my argument is:  APPLE SAYS NO.

This is the problem with a Microsoft Blog, taking a crack at an Apple paradigm.  Microsoft will support hardware that doesn&#039;t even exist any more.  They TOUT that Win7 runs GREAT on older machines.  Apple&#039;s approach is more akin to Toasters or Cell phones.  when your old model no longer does what you want it to do, or breaks down, or isn&#039;t supported any more, you buy a new one.  I&#039;m really sorry that Keith&#039;s machine won&#039;t run Snow Leopard&#039;s 64-bit kernel, but it didn&#039;t make the cut.  My fiancee&#039;s iBook won&#039;t run snow leopard at all.  In time, she&#039;ll get upgraded to something newer, but for now the iBook serve&#039;s its purpose as an email-checker, a web browser, and occasionally a paper-writer.  Keith&#039;s is still an awesome, powerful machine, that is somewhat handicapped by a limit Apple imposes for whatever reason.  That limit is well published, and he KNEW it when he bought it.  If Keith wanted a machine that would run 8GB of RAM, he should have found one that runs 8GB of RAM, and if not, then exercise this &#039;Freedom of choice&#039; Microsoft is so big on lately and *not* bought the Macbook.

Keith, man, it ain&#039;t personal, and its not me getting angry or attacking your thoughts or opinions (I leave that to the guys @ AngryMacBastards).  Its about the truth, and its the same reason I was pissed off about the Laptop Hunter ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it upset Keith.  But a LOT of people are going to read that.  and YOU can&#8217;t post dissent (as has been proven).  I do not mean that as a knock against you, but lets call a spade a spade here.  Somebody has to correct that,  you weren&#8217;t TECHNICALLY accurate in every case there, again, Its not a slam, its a fact.  Macs running 32-bit kernels use > 4GB every day, including my own.  The fact that YOURS does not isn&#8217;t of any more relevance to the issue of 64-bit support OR 4GB memory caps, specifically because Apple&#8217;s documentation clearly states that the limit is 4GB of RAM.  </p>
<p>If Apple was saying the machines supported 8GB of RAM, and you saw the issues you have seen, then by all means, tear into them.  You would not be the only one, i guarantee it.  But they don&#8217;t say that.  And while i&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re not the only one who&#8217;s tried and failed to run 8GB of RAM in a MacbookPro3,1, you&#8217;re the only one on a competitors website, on a relatively popular blog, saying that its Snow Leopard&#8217;s fault, Apple&#8217;s fault, WHEN ITS NOT.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d like to point out that Keith is correct, that underlying hardware Apple uses is fully capable in other systems (his ThinkPad that he references several times).  But the BLACK AND WHITE basis of my argument is:  APPLE SAYS NO.</p>
<p>This is the problem with a Microsoft Blog, taking a crack at an Apple paradigm.  Microsoft will support hardware that doesn&#8217;t even exist any more.  They TOUT that Win7 runs GREAT on older machines.  Apple&#8217;s approach is more akin to Toasters or Cell phones.  when your old model no longer does what you want it to do, or breaks down, or isn&#8217;t supported any more, you buy a new one.  I&#8217;m really sorry that Keith&#8217;s machine won&#8217;t run Snow Leopard&#8217;s 64-bit kernel, but it didn&#8217;t make the cut.  My fiancee&#8217;s iBook won&#8217;t run snow leopard at all.  In time, she&#8217;ll get upgraded to something newer, but for now the iBook serve&#8217;s its purpose as an email-checker, a web browser, and occasionally a paper-writer.  Keith&#8217;s is still an awesome, powerful machine, that is somewhat handicapped by a limit Apple imposes for whatever reason.  That limit is well published, and he KNEW it when he bought it.  If Keith wanted a machine that would run 8GB of RAM, he should have found one that runs 8GB of RAM, and if not, then exercise this &#8216;Freedom of choice&#8217; Microsoft is so big on lately and *not* bought the Macbook.</p>
<p>Keith, man, it ain&#8217;t personal, and its not me getting angry or attacking your thoughts or opinions (I leave that to the guys @ AngryMacBastards).  Its about the truth, and its the same reason I was pissed off about the Laptop Hunter ads.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by Keith Combs</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments are inline to yours at my blog.  I&#039;m not particularly sure why you read my blog and get so upset. But I guess we&#039;re all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments are inline to yours at my blog.  I&#8217;m not particularly sure why you read my blog and get so upset. But I guess we&#8217;re all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by Keith Combs</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-3037</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments are inline to yours at my blog.  I&#039;m not particularly sure why you read my blog and get so upset. But I guess we&#039;re all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments are inline to yours at my blog.  I&#8217;m not particularly sure why you read my blog and get so upset. But I guess we&#8217;re all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-1560</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naw, I follow a few Technet blogs to keep pace with things at work.  NetNewsWire&#039;s recent merging with Google Reader has turned my News Feeds on their head, so in the mess of it Keith&#039;s blog made it back into my blogroll.  I saw that and couldn&#039;t help myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw, I follow a few Technet blogs to keep pace with things at work.  NetNewsWire&#8217;s recent merging with Google Reader has turned my News Feeds on their head, so in the mess of it Keith&#8217;s blog made it back into my blogroll.  I saw that and couldn&#8217;t help myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keith Combs gives me one more Reason to hate Microsoft&#8230; by peelman</title>
		<link>http://peelman.us/2009/08/30/keith-combs-gives-me-one-more-reason-to-hate-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>peelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naw, I follow a few Technet blogs to keep pace with things at work.  NetNewsWire&#039;s recent merging with Google Reader has turned my News Feeds on their head, so in the mess of it Keith&#039;s blog made it back into my blogroll.  I saw that and couldn&#039;t help myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw, I follow a few Technet blogs to keep pace with things at work.  NetNewsWire&#8217;s recent merging with Google Reader has turned my News Feeds on their head, so in the mess of it Keith&#8217;s blog made it back into my blogroll.  I saw that and couldn&#8217;t help myself&#8230;</p>
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